Reply to the Reverend...........you don't believe in therapy? I'm kinda surprised by that. I would have thought you'd be all about self discovery. You are fairly perceptive Reverend. I'll give you that. I was married actually. It happened the way you think it did. I couldn't find a graceful way out, thought I could ride it out, spent seven years with him, nearly went mad, and finally got divorced. I have an eleven year old daughter who's unusually cool for a kid. She's like a grown-up in a small body. Your turn. I'm guessing never married, never close, no kids and no desire for any of it.

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Amy

I'm all for self discovery if you do it yourself.

Seems most people try to ride it out, thus one of the reasons why I'm not down with it, I was engaged once but it was more of a get off my back kind of thing, never would have actually gone through with it and there was no ring involved but she still claims we were engaged, been proposed to a few times but I only said yes that one time. I'm sure it'll happen drunk one night but thats about it... but yes, you're right. I should get ready for work now....

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"We are the architects of our own hell and are thus equipped with the tools to rebuild our lives as we see fit." - Steve Diamond February 2004

notfromseattle:

Reply to ozymandias........I didn't realize we were talking about stalkers. Stalking = bad. A man who looks at me like he intends to fuck me into a coma = good.

Bad vs. Good list

Bathing = good.........being a smelly, offensive fucker = bad

Men who aren't clingy = good......men who call me 20 times a day = bad

People who realize they are basically insignificant to the universe = good......people who think they're smarter than most, more worthwhile than all, and invaluable to the universe = bad

Parker Posey films = good...........Charlize Theron films = bad

Is there another kind of faith besides blind ozymandias? That's the point of "faith" I think. I kinda like the idea personally. I like thinking that some things are the way they are just because.

well it turns out we have some stuff in common.  I hate when people have bad hygiene.  It is my understanding that you usually can't smell your own offensiveness, but you at least have got to feel gross.

 And I hate people that think they are better than everyone else, everyone has something to contribute to the world.  you are not better than anyone, you are just different.  I can't stand condescending people, which I have to deal with often, condsidering I work around about 10 different doctors each week (not that they all are bad).  so what if you were born into a life of privelege, had daddy buy your way through medical school, and never had to struggle a day in your life.  at least i appreciate everything that I have. 

 and I hate charlize theron.  I can't believe that I keep seeing "articles" saying she is arguably the hottest woman alive. 

For fuck's sake Reverend.....no wonder you haven't evolved. Haven't you figured out yet that there's no such thing as "self discovery?" That's mythology for the modern age. People have only one perspective....their own. You need other people to examine it....to examine you. What the hell can we learn about ourselves from ourselves? That = irony. I have a better example of irony for you Reverend. My job......what I do for a living......wedding planner. That's irony.

Women propose to you a lot? You must be hung like a mule cause you're basically a dickhead. I kid.

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Amy

notfromseattle:

For fuck's sake Reverend.....no wonder you haven't evolved. Haven't you figured out yet that there's no such thing as "self discovery?" That's mythology for the modern age. People have only one perspective....their own. You need other people to examine it....to examine you. What the hell can we learn about ourselves from ourselves? That = irony. I have a better example of irony for you Reverend. My job......what I do for a living......wedding planner. That's irony.

Women propose to you a lot? You must be hung like a mule cause you're basically a dickhead. I kid.

I believe that we are the architects of our own hell and are thus equiped with the ability to restructure ourselves, I'm not saying you do it alone but I am saying you don't need to pay some asshole your hard earned money just so that you have someone to speak to thats going to state the obvious.

I am evolution, I have evolved beyond the old life of mongamy and long term relationships, we learn what we can from one another and move on before we resent each other or others involved. I've seen countless friends and family fall victim.

They do, no I am not hung like a mule but nor am I hung like a field mouse but people are stupid and want what they can't have ( yes I just said that ) and thus feel that if they can change me the end result will be much greater.... or something I don't know but thats the bull shit I feed myself. 

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"We are the architects of our own hell and are thus equipped with the tools to rebuild our lives as we see fit." - Steve Diamond February 2004

Water is wet......the sky is blue......people want what they can't have. Tis true.

As long as you're around I don't think I need therapy of any kind. I feel healthy by comparison.

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Amy

notfromseattle:

Water is wet......the sky is blue......people want what they can't have. Tis true.

As long as you're around I don't think I need therapy of any kind. I feel healthy by comparison.

I'm glad I was able to help, just be sure to tell your therapist exactly why you're stopping.

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"We are the architects of our own hell and are thus equipped with the tools to rebuild our lives as we see fit." - Steve Diamond February 2004

Reply to the Reverend......... I do enjoy your sarcasm .

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Amy

notfromseattle:

Reply to the Reverend......... I do enjoy your sarcasm .

well, this conversation has tapered off like a big shit.

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"We are the architects of our own hell and are thus equipped with the tools to rebuild our lives as we see fit." - Steve Diamond February 2004

Reply to the Reverend..........whatcha wanna converse about?

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Amy

Oh dear, I have a feeling you guys aren't really going to like me very much. In answer to the original thread questions:

I consider monogamy the best idea. (Whether you're married or not, one at a time seems the least complicated.) But I'm just a year removed from leaving 14 years worth of utter control, emotional manipulation and verbal abuse. I'm so afraid of making the same kind of choices that led me to and kept me in that relationship, I can't see myself even venturing out on a date again any time soon. Does that make me a prude?

Movies are definately better than TV, but I'll sit and stare like an idiot -- completely entranced by whatever is on -- whether I'm interested or not, so avoid both most of the time.

I don't drink -- can't, but don't think I would much anyway. I'm wound a little too tight. I exist in a hyper-caffinated state and can't stand anything that makes me feel slow or foggy.

My list of likes and dislikes would be a little too much here, but I will comment on some of the stuff that's been mentioned in separate posts. I tend to be a bit "wordy" (a recognized fault, but can't seem to fix it), and don't want this to be a mile long.

Lizzie

P.S.

notfromseattle:

Reply to the Reverend..........whatcha wanna converse about?

Amy,   Remember that attention span conversation you had a few posts back? I think he might have reached his limit.

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"...on a placid island...in the midst of black seas of infinity..." H.P. Lovecraft

notfromseattle:

Is there another kind of faith besides blind ozymandias? That's the point of "faith" I think. I kinda like the idea personally. I like thinking that some things are the way they are just because.

Yes, there is another kind. Oh sure, you eventually have to take that leap, otherwise its not "faith". But what brings you to the precipice? You should try to gain as much knowledge as you can about the facts, history, opposing/confirming ideas, etc. regarding your belief.

People who don't do that -- those who follow along with whatever their family or friends are into, or jump on whichever bandwagon seems the most entertaining or exciting -- practice what I consider to be blind faith. I have very little tolerance for it, even (especially) among those who claim to "believe" as I do. 

Examples:  So-called evolutionists who know so little that they actually think the theory to which they adhere is primarily based in scientific fact. 

Catholics who spout-on about brotherly love and ecumenism, but couldn't begin to tell you what the dogma of Papal Infallibility truly implies.

Protestants who have no idea why church services are held on Sunday, or what foundational doctrines set their denomination apart from the many others.

Self-proclaimed "humanists" or "new-age" followers who believe that its all about love-for-all and world peace, but have never heard of Alice A. Bailey or read her writings.

Your statement actually sounds like one of the many sermons I have had the distinct displeasure of hearing lately. Most contemporary Pastors, Ministers, Priests (whatever a church leader calls him- or herself in the plethora of choices out there) would have you believe just that. Most don't want you to think too much. 

I hope I didn't get too carried away here. I don't want to offend anyone. I just wish more people had enough sense to really understand the things they uphold.

Lizzie

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"...on a placid island...in the midst of black seas of infinity..." H.P. Lovecraft

notfromseattle:

Clarification on why ozymandias and I may different ideas about sex............I kinda like it when men make me feel dirty just by looking at me. Maybe her "dirty" is a bad place.... mine isn't.

Grimy, scungy wierdos aside (we all seem to agree on that):

I think I'm somewhere in between you two, but probably closer to ozy. I don't like being objectified. When a guy looks me up and down with that pompous air of assumed entitlement, it disgusts me. There's no greater turn-off than someone who's primary goal in life is his own personal gratification. When I can tell that the only thought going through his mind is "what's it going to take to get her in bed"... that = bad.

What I do find erotic, though, is when I catch them staring at my feet. Yes, my feet.  When he draws my attention because he's just so focused in, then slowly starts scanning up until he meets my eyes with a half-appologetic smile and a look that says "every inch of you turns me on"... this = good.

So it's not that I mind guys looking -- its just the attitude with which they do it. Sometimes it makes my skin crawl and, though he's a complete stranger whom I've never talked to or touched, I just feel like I need a shower. And then there are the other times ... though he's a complete stranger whom I've never talked to or touched ....

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"...on a placid island...in the midst of black seas of infinity..." H.P. Lovecraft

Lizzie:

notfromseattle:

Reply to the Reverend..........whatcha wanna converse about?

Amy,   Remember that attention span conversation you had a few posts back? I think he might have reached his limit.

yes, thats it but really no, its just that particular conversation had run its course and trying to cling to it would be closer to something said a few posts back as well.

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"We are the architects of our own hell and are thus equipped with the tools to rebuild our lives as we see fit." - Steve Diamond February 2004

you actually said how i feel better than i could.  it isnt that i really mind a man looking at me, i look at men to.  I just dont like to be objectived.  i dont like when i am out with my fiance and a man looks at me with that look like he thinks he could "get" me.   I dont like when a man stares at my boobs when I am talking to him.  But to catch a man looking at me, and he isnt being completely obvious, does give me a boast of confidence.

 

*edit* i meant to quote Lizzie's post on men.  and my next post, i meant to quote Lizzie's post on faith.